Preparing for Milano

… Monica told me that she had checked with her contacts and she is convinced I don’t have a good chance of getting the citizenship without petitioning the courts in Italy to recognize it. I’m still holding out to see if they change thier minds once they see my original birth cert. But if things don’t change, then it looks like we’ll have to file a petition in Rome to have them recognize the adoption before we can get citizenship. This would seriously slow down the process…. 5-6 years.

Whatever God wants. Pray for me that we can figure out his will in this instance. But outside of some kind of intervention we will continue down the path even if it takes 5-6 more years till it happens. Lots can happen between now and then if indeed that is what he wants.

By next week this time we will be settling into bed our first night in Italy.

 dave

Talked to the state of California today. They had no record of my request, but the guy told me that they are inputting requests from 28 March today. That’s how far behind they are. It will likely be another 2 weeks then before my request is even entered into the system. That of course is when we are in Italy, so I’ll call when I get back. But at least I’m feeling a little better. Gives me some hope that it wasn’t lost, it just hasn’t been entered in.

Parlavo con lo stato della California oggi, e non esiste la mia richiesta per l’atto di nascita… ancora. Comunque l’impiegato mi diceva che oggi entrano le richieste di 28 marzo. Il lavoro è così in arretrato. Allora saranno probabilmente due settimane di più prima che la mia richiesta sia entrata nel sistema. A quel punto saremo in vacanza, poi chiamerò di nuovo quando tornerò. Almeno sento meglio. Ho ormai un po’ di speranza che la richiesta non era persa in transito, ma è probabile che sia solo in attesa d’essere entrata. 

I just talked to the state of Michigan and they said mom’s birth cert with apostille should go out next week. I wasn’t even sure if they had gotten the thing, but thankfully thed did.

Today I started the tedious process of contacting California to find out if they even have my court order and request for the original birth cert. I have been checking my bank account online daily to see when they cash the check. Usually the states do this right away, but halfway through the average 12 week wait, they still haven’t cashed it. I’m hoping that doesn’t mean they never got it, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Oh, and did I mention we are going to Italy in 2 weeks? ; )

 Ho appena finito di parlare con lo stato del Michigan, e mi ha detto che l’atto di nascita di mamma con apostille deve partire la settimana prossima. Io non sapevo se l’ha perfino ricevuto, ma grazie a Dio, non c’è nessun problema.

Oggi ho iniziato il processo di contattare lo stato della California per scoprire se ha ricevuto la mia richiesta per l’atto originale di nascita. Controllo ogni giorno il mio conto online per sapere se è stato versato l’assegno che ho mandato. Normalmente gli stati li versano subito, ma nel mezzo cammino dell’attesa [normale- 12 settimane] non c’è nessun segno di vita. Spero che questo non significhi che la mia richiesta si è persa, ma per dirvi la verità, non mi sorprenderebbe……

ma cambiando tema…. ci mancano solo due settimane più e siamo in volo per l’Italia!!!

Posted by Dave 

Back from the consulate where I was told my adoption would indeed be a problem. Not insuperable, but definitely a problem. The lady told me I would need to file a petition to Rome to have them recognize my adoption, then I could proceed with the citizenship. But the courts in Rome are backlogged and it could take them 3-5 years to recognize the adoption. 

I was also told that shelly would have to wait 3 years after I get my citizenship before she could apply for hers. 

All this means possibly 10 years before we can get to Italy. I need to do some research on the subject and get some informed opinions. It does not seem right that I need to go through a court process for Italy to recognize papers that the US recognizes. I have the adoption papers, so why wouldn’t Italy recognize them? They don’t need a court process to recognize US birth certificates or marriage certificates; they just want them translated with an apostille. So why do we need a court petition to recognize an adoption? 

Anyway, my complaining or questioning doesn’t actually change anything, so the best thing to do is get information and then go from there. 

Pray for us in this new capacity. 

Posted by Dave 

Gotta get some confirmation on what exactly has to happen with rest of the documents. Especially with the adoption papers 

Voglio chiedere dettagli sui documenti e come procedere e particolarmente sull’argomento dell’adozione. 

Posted by Dave 

Yesterday, Shelly and I took off from work to do worship at a funeral. 

Before the funeral at 10, we went over to the LA county Vital records office in Norwalk and got the boys birth certs. After the funeral, I went down to the Probate Court with my [adoptive] dad and got the relinquishment papers certified. I’m still waiting to receive [biological] mom’s birth cert back with the apostille, and I’m now waiting for my original birth cert, but all has been cleared and it should just be a matter of time. 

I will go to the consulate next week and bring the list of discrepancies that I found and get their opinion as to whether I need to get anything amended or not. I will also find out what specifically needs to have the apostille, which is an international certification, and be translated. I have a feeling that 3-4 of the documents I was planning on having translated and apostilled will not need them. That should save me about 100-150 bucks on what is turning out to be a somewhat expensive process. 

Posted by Dave 

After reading the last post, it dawned on me that I hadn’t really explained what had happened. 

I am adopted. After an adoption, the original birth certificate is amended to show the adoptive parents rather than the biological parents and the original birth certificate is sealed at the state office of vital records. But since I need to demonstrate a blood link to my biological mother, I need to get a copy of the original sealed birth certificate. The process, at least in California, to get a copy of that is that the Superior Court where the adoption took place has to grant the petitioner a court order to obtain a copy. THAT is what I received. I filed a petition 6 months ago, and finally got the court order yesterday. I am sending it off, along with a form requesting the Birth cert, and, of course, money…….. and they are supposed to get it back to me in about 3 months time. 

Spiegavo in inglese che non mi ho spiegato tanto bene nell’ultimo post quello che è successo. 

Sono adottato. Dopo un adozione, il certificato originale di nascita viene emendato a mostrare i padri adottivi invece dei padri biologichi e poi l’originale e rimesso nascosto all’Anagrafe Statale. Ma dato che ho bisogno di dimostrare il mio sangue, ho bisogno di quel certificato original. Il procedimento dove abito per richiedere cio è che il Tribunale Superiore della Contea dove capitò l’adozione deve accordare a chi richiede un ordine/decreto per ottenere una copia certificata. Era QUEL ordine che ho ricevuto ieri. 6 mesi fa, ho fatto la mia richiesta, e appena ieri l’ordine è arrivato. Oggi lo spedisco con un modulo per richiedere il CN accompagnato con……senz’altro…..i soldi, e fra 3 mesi avrò il certificato originale. 

Posted by Dave 

Just got a call from the OC Superior Court telling me that my request has been approved. They will now send me a signed court order and I will have to send that to Sacramento with the right forms and then I can get a certified copy of the original. 

The girl at the court notified me that the copy they received had all the original names blacked out. 

The state even blacked out the names on the request that I sent. As if they were going to protect me from seeing names that I wrote!!! The girl at the OC court told she had to laugh at that. 

So the hitch is that while I have received the OK, I’m not sure if what they send me will actually have any information that will help. If not, then I still have the adoption cert which DOES have my mothers name on it. So, we’ll see. 

Ho appena ricevuto una chiamata dal Tribunale Superiore della Contea spiegando che la mia richiesta è stata approvata. Ora mi spedirà un’ordine firmato quale io spedirò allo stato coi moduli giusti, e riceverò una copia certificata del mio certificato originale di nascita. 

La ragazza mi ha spiegato che la copia ricevuta dallo stato aveva tutti i nomi originali bloccati. Lo stato ha perfino bloccato i nomi che proprio IO ho scritto!! Come se hanno voluto proteggere i nomi da me!! 

Allora il problema può essere che ricevando la mia richiesta, non avrò ancora l’informazione di che ho bisogno. Ho ancora la certificato di adozione col nome di mamma, però vedremo.