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Wednesday, June 13th, 2007

OK we drove to a city called Treviso on the saturday after we arrived and stayed there for sunday and monday. On Sunday we drove from Treviso to Montebelluna, about 30 kilometers north to attend the Calvary Chapel there. And after we met with the Pastor, Craig Quam, we drove back to Treviso and met with the Pastor there, Mark Nigro. We went to Venice, about 40 kilometers to the south on monday.

Il sabato dopo siamo arrivati nell’Italia, siamo andati alla città di Treviso. Siamo rimasti là domenica e lunedì. Domenica abbiamo guidato a Montebelluna, 30 chilometri al nord ad assistere il culto a Calvary Chapel. Abbiamo incontrato il pastore Craig Quam, a dopo siamo tornati a Treviso ad incontrare il pastore di Treviso, Mark Nigro. Lunedì siamo andati a Venezia, 40 chilometri al sud.

Ecco due foto del Calvary Chapel Montebelluna.

CCM

outside CCM

The church is set in an industrial building. Go through the blue door at the end of the building and you’re in the church.

 Shelly

Shelly is standing on a bridge over one of the 2 rivers that meet in Treviso and flow through the old city. The old city of Treviso is surrounded by a moat and a wall. Yep, I said a moat. But I love the water and found the city irresistable.

Shelly su un ponte sopra una dei due fiumi del Treviso. La vecchia città è circondata con un muro ed un fossato. Adoro sempre i fiumi ed ho trovato fantastica la città vecchia. 

Montebelluna

Here are the four of us standing on the monte in montebelluna. There is a church up there and it overlooks the city. One of the brothers at the church, David Downs, showed us around town and took us up to the top where we got some pics of the city.

Eccoci in piede sulla «monte» di montebelluna. Lì si trova la solita chiesa sorvegliando la città. Uno dei fratelli, David Downs, ci faceva conoscere il paese ci portava là a fare delle foto.

 Dave Downs

Ecco una foto di Dave Downs. Here is a picture of Dave Downs and I.

Pastor Mark

Here is a picture of Pastor Mark and his wife Renata and thier little baby. They took us to dinner in the old town and then walked us around and shared about life in Italy and ministry there.

Ecco il pastore di calvary chapel Treviso, Mark Nigro con sua moglie Renata e loro bimbo. Abbiamo mangiato insieme nel centro ad un ristorante elegante, poi facevamo una passeggiata parlando della vita italiana ed il lavoro di Dio là.

 Pastor Mark, Dave and Kristi

Pastore Mark ed il bimbo con Dave e Kristi. Parliamo di non so che cosa. Pastor Mark, Dave and Kristi talking about who knows what.

ronnie and kristi

ronnie and kristi 2

2 pics of Ronnie and Kristi. Due foto di Ronnie and Kristi.

 Treviso downtown

Nice picture of the center and one of it’s streets.

Il centro di notte ed una sua strada.

Venice tomorrow. Domani, Venezia.

some pics

Tuesday, June 12th, 2007

View from Hotel

This is the view from the Hotel dei Fiori where we stayed in Milano. The block of apartments is typical of the housing in the city. The parking is typical too.

Group photo

milano sign

This was taken as we went from the hotel to the metro station to get into the downtown area. There is a “Milano” sign above us that the local kids modified.

Rental Car

This was our rental car, a Fiat Idea. The cars in Italy are typically very small. This is considered a midsize. More to come.

first post back from milan

Tuesday, June 12th, 2007

OK, I’m back home now, and I thought I’d do a few more updates on the citizenship drive: I got my mom’s amended birth cert with the apostille back from Michigan AND I got a receipt from California state telling me they got the birth cert request and it would be 12 weeks from when they issued the card until I should expect the thing back. Does this take a long time or what?? But at this point the only thing I’m actually waiting on is the original birth cert from Cali, so when that comes in, I should have all the necessary documents. The next step after that is to take them to the consulate and figure out if they will want me to file a petition in Rome for the adoption or not. I still don’t think it is necessary, but it seems like the government workers don’t want to take responsibility for saying OK to anything out of the ordinary. Hopefully it all turns out OK.

The flight home was uneventful. Long and uneventful. But we are all glad to be back…. except maybe Shelly…. she never wants to come home. I too feel like I’m just kind of biding my time until we can finally go. But it is nice to be back where I can understand everything natively. We plan on putting a few side links to our pictures but I also want to put some up here on the blog. I’ll give more info later. For now, thanks so much for your prayers, everything turned out fine. God bless.

dave

ciao from milano

Sunday, June 10th, 2007

OK, I’m in my hotel room right now, I paid the 9 euros to have internet access for 24 hours and thought I’d write an update. The weather has been fantastic here for most of the trip. We got heavy rain for the first two days, some on and off rain for a few days after that, and since then, it has been nice. It is actually starting to get pretty hot now. We met with the pastors from Montebelluna and from Treviso last Sunday and were encouraged. We also met some other americans living here while we were in the grocery store that were christians and they encouraged us as well.

We had our first milano church service from our hotel room this morning, but we are looking forward to seeing the real thing happen. After some initial rough patches, it seems like everything is coming together. God has definately blessed our stay and our path.

Anyway, we head back tomorrow, and should be back in town around 5ish. Looking forward to seeing everyone again. God bless.

weather/il tempo

Monday, May 28th, 2007

The current weather forecast is rain and thunderstorms for the entire time we are in Italy. Doesn’t make for good sightseeing. But last night at Daryl and Kayo’s send off to Cambodia, one of the brothers said that they shouldn’t fear the weather. I don’t know if that meant anything to them, but it did to me. Today I am reading in Jeremiah 10. Verse 12 and 13 say “He made the earth by His might, established the world by his wisdom, and by His understanding stretched out the skies. When He makes His voice heard, there is a rumbling of water in the skies; He makes the vapors rise from the end of the earth, He makes lightning for the rain, and brings forth wind from His treasuries.”

God makes the earth and stretches out the sky and he brings the rain. So if he wants it to rain, we won’t be afraid of the rain. Basically not a whole lot has been straightforward about this trip. There has been a lot more than I will reveal in this blog….. but through it all, God keeps clearing the obstacles. So rain or not, we are going to have a good time in Italy and may His will be done in our lives.

Il previsione attuale dice pioggia, rovesci e temporali per il nostro tempo in Italia. Non fa buon sightseeing. Ma ieri alla festa per Daryl e Kayo Record, i nostri amici che partono per Cambodia, un mio amico ha detto «non temere il tempo». Non so se questo aveva un significato per loro, però era quasi una profezia per me, perché dentro di me, mi preoccupavo moltissimo del maltempo. Non volevo che il nostro viaggio fosse rovinato per la pioggia. E oggi, ho letto questi versetti nella Bibbia, Geremia 10:12-13- «Il signore potente ha formato la terra, con la sapienza ha creato il mondo, ha disteso il cielo con la sua intelligenza. Al suo comando le acque si accumulano in cielo. Egli fa salire le nuvole dall’estremità della terra, scatena temporali con lampi e pioggia e sprigiona il vento impetuoso»

È fondamentale che il Signore ha creato il mondo ed è lui che comanda le acque. Allora se lui vuole che piova, non avremmo paura della pioggia. Non tanto di questo trasferimento- e pure questo viaggio- è stato facilissimo, ma……. nonostante Dio ancora rimuove ogni ostacolo. Che ce ne importa la pioggia? Andiamo all’Italia, ci godiamo, e la volontà del Signore sia fatto nelle nostre vite.

the consulate called me today

Friday, May 25th, 2007

… Monica told me that she had checked with her contacts and she is convinced I don’t have a good chance of getting the citizenship without petitioning the courts in Italy to recognize it. I’m still holding out to see if they change thier minds once they see my original birth cert. But if things don’t change, then it looks like we’ll have to file a petition in Rome to have them recognize the adoption before we can get citizenship. This would seriously slow down the process…. 5-6 years.

Whatever God wants. Pray for me that we can figure out his will in this instance. But outside of some kind of intervention we will continue down the path even if it takes 5-6 more years till it happens. Lots can happen between now and then if indeed that is what he wants.

By next week this time we will be settling into bed our first night in Italy.

 dave

some relief/un piccolo sollievo

Friday, May 18th, 2007

Talked to the state of California today. They had no record of my request, but the guy told me that they are inputting requests from 28 March today. That’s how far behind they are. It will likely be another 2 weeks then before my request is even entered into the system. That of course is when we are in Italy, so I’ll call when I get back. But at least I’m feeling a little better. Gives me some hope that it wasn’t lost, it just hasn’t been entered in.

Parlavo con lo stato della California oggi, e non esiste la mia richiesta per l’atto di nascita… ancora. Comunque l’impiegato mi diceva che oggi entrano le richieste di 28 marzo. Il lavoro è così in arretrato. Allora saranno probabilmente due settimane di più prima che la mia richiesta sia entrata nel sistema. A quel punto saremo in vacanza, poi chiamerò di nuovo quando tornerò. Almeno sento meglio. Ho ormai un po’ di speranza che la richiesta non era persa in transito, ma è probabile che sia solo in attesa d’essere entrata. 

 

some good news/buone notizie

Thursday, May 17th, 2007

I just talked to the state of Michigan and they said mom’s birth cert with apostille should go out next week. I wasn’t even sure if they had gotten the thing, but thankfully thed did.

Today I started the tedious process of contacting California to find out if they even have my court order and request for the original birth cert. I have been checking my bank account online daily to see when they cash the check. Usually the states do this right away, but halfway through the average 12 week wait, they still haven’t cashed it. I’m hoping that doesn’t mean they never got it, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Oh, and did I mention we are going to Italy in 2 weeks? ; )

 Ho appena finito di parlare con lo stato del Michigan, e mi ha detto che l’atto di nascita di mamma con apostille deve partire la settimana prossima. Io non sapevo se l’ha perfino ricevuto, ma grazie a Dio, non c’è nessun problema.

Oggi ho iniziato il processo di contattare lo stato della California per scoprire se ha ricevuto la mia richiesta per l’atto originale di nascita. Controllo ogni giorno il mio conto online per sapere se è stato versato l’assegno che ho mandato. Normalmente gli stati li versano subito, ma nel mezzo cammino dell’attesa [normale- 12 settimane] non c’è nessun segno di vita. Spero che questo non significhi che la mia richiesta si è persa, ma per dirvi la verità, non mi sorprenderebbe……

ma cambiando tema…. ci mancano solo due settimane più e siamo in volo per l’Italia!!!

 

kind of an update

Thursday, May 10th, 2007

We are in a sort of holding pattern right now: waiting for documents, counting the days until the trip to Italy, etc. Here are a few updates for what is happening.

1. The birth cert request went to Sacramento and I will not get it back till mid July by thier reckoning. I have been checking my bank site to see if the state has cashed my check. after nearly 5 weeks, they still haven’t. That makes me nervous. I have had ALOT of things lost in the mail, and while I should have sent this registered or something like that, I didn’t. Well, why not? That was dumb! you might say… yeah, yeah, but it’s too late for that. I actually checked into sending it through UPS or FedEx, but since it was going to a PO box, they couldn’t do it. I should have checked with the USPS, but again too late for that. I just sent it through the mail. Anyway, if they don’t get it, I will have to petition the court again for another court order, so I can send it to Sacramento again…. all of these things take months at a time. I have about 10 months till my appointment at the consulate, but I need to submit the docs with an explanation to the consulate and see if I can get this adoption thing cleared up.

2. The adoption “thing”…. I am convinced that when the consulate officer mentioned adoptions to her contact in Rome, he didn’t understand the situation. Everyone I have talked to, including several Italian nationals that have adopted [as well as looking at various laws] states that the adoption should NOT be a problem in the way that they are saying. There is simply no reason for needing an italian court to recognize it. So…. once I get that original birth cert, then I will submit copies of the entire package to the consulate with a detailed explanation of the situation and let them research it a little more. At which point I am SURE that they will see a court petition as unnecessary. But as you can see, having one-of-a-kind court orders lost in the mail on the way to Sacramento slows the process down. I will have to wait until mid July before they will even answer my questions on the status of my request. If I have to wait 3 months just to find out they never got it, initiate the request again for another court order [another 6 months??] and then wait another 3 months before I can get the birth cert, then I am already out of time. I’m hoping the reason California hasn’t cashed my check yet, is that they have received it, but haven’t opened it or started processing it yet.

3. On the plus side, everything is now arranged and paid for with the upcoming Italy trip. Ronnie and Kristi are excited as well and I can’t wait either. “Non vedo l’ora” like the italians say. Literally translated it means “I don’t see the hour”…. but it actually means ‘I can’t wait’….. I don’t know why either, it just does!

Sorry I haven’t done more updates, but I wanted to have some real updates, not just reiterations of what you’ve already seen.

Well pray for the upcoming trip: safety, Kristi’s health while we are traveling- she has specific diet and medical needs that HAVE to be met, or we will have problems, spiritual insight to our situation and that God’s will in all of this will be further revealed. Pray for both Shelly and I and Ronnie and Kristi to hold firm and not be derailed by any attacks of the enemy.   

Setback

Friday, April 20th, 2007

Posted by Dave 

Back from the consulate where I was told my adoption would indeed be a problem. Not insuperable, but definitely a problem. The lady told me I would need to file a petition to Rome to have them recognize my adoption, then I could proceed with the citizenship. But the courts in Rome are backlogged and it could take them 3-5 years to recognize the adoption. 

I was also told that shelly would have to wait 3 years after I get my citizenship before she could apply for hers. 

All this means possibly 10 years before we can get to Italy. I need to do some research on the subject and get some informed opinions. It does not seem right that I need to go through a court process for Italy to recognize papers that the US recognizes. I have the adoption papers, so why wouldn’t Italy recognize them? They don’t need a court process to recognize US birth certificates or marriage certificates; they just want them translated with an apostille. So why do we need a court petition to recognize an adoption? 

Anyway, my complaining or questioning doesn’t actually change anything, so the best thing to do is get information and then go from there. 

Pray for us in this new capacity.